diff --git a/builders/lando-v4.js b/builders/lando-v4.js
index 6d86d376b..71cd2e328 100644
--- a/builders/lando-v4.js
+++ b/builders/lando-v4.js
@@ -281,6 +281,7 @@ module.exports = {
         ...require('../utils/normalize-storage')(config.storage, this),
         ...require('../utils/normalize-storage')(config['persistent-storage'], this),
       ];
+
       this.volumes = config.volumes;
 
       // top level stuff
@@ -452,20 +453,22 @@ module.exports = {
       // create storage if needed
       // @TODO: should this be in try block below?
       if (this.storage.filter(volume => volume.type === 'volume').length > 0) {
-        const bengine = this.getBengine();
         // get existing volumes
-        const estorage = (await this.getStorageVolumes()).map(volume => volume.source);
+        const estorage = (await this.getStorageVolumes()).map(volume => volume.id);
 
-        // find any volumes we might need to create
+        // find any service level volumes we might need to create
+        // @TODO: note that app/project/global storage is created at the app level and not here
         const cstorage = this.storage
           .filter(volume => volume.type === 'volume')
-          .filter(volume => !estorage.includes(volume.source))
+          .filter(volume => !estorage.includes(volume.id))
+          .filter(volume => volume.scope === 'service')
           .filter(volume => volume?.labels?.['dev.lando.storage-volume'] === 'TRUE');
 
         await Promise.all(cstorage.map(async volume => {
+          const bengine = this.getBengine();
           try {
             await bengine.createVolume({Name: volume.source, Labels: volume.labels});
-            this.debug('created %o storage volume %o with metadata %o', volume.scope, volume.source, volume.labels);
+            this.debug('created service storage volume %o with metadata %o', volume.id, volume.labels);
           } catch (error) {
             throw error;
           }
diff --git a/examples/storage/README.md b/examples/storage/README.md
index e152e0a37..daed23c59 100644
--- a/examples/storage/README.md
+++ b/examples/storage/README.md
@@ -40,7 +40,7 @@ docker volume inspect lando-everywhere | grep "dev.lando.storage-scope" | grep g
 docker volume inspect lando-everywhere | grep "dev.lando.storage-project" || echo "$?" | grep 1
 docker volume inspect lando-everywhere | grep "dev.lando.storage-service" || echo "$?" | grep 1
 docker volume inspect landostorage-stuff | grep "dev.lando.storage-volume" | grep TRUE
-docker volume inspect landostorage-stuff | grep "dev.lando.storage-scope" | grep -E "app|project" || docker volume inspect landostorage-stuff |  grep "dev.lando.storage-scope"
+docker volume inspect landostorage-stuff | grep "dev.lando.storage-scope" | grep app
 docker volume inspect landostorage-stuff | grep "dev.lando.storage-project" | grep landostorage
 docker volume inspect landostorage-stuff | grep "dev.lando.storage-service" | grep db
 docker volume inspect landostorage-alpine-some-cache-directory | grep "dev.lando.storage-volume" | grep TRUE
diff --git a/hooks/app-run-v4-build-app.js b/hooks/app-run-v4-build-app.js
index 3f6072e6a..d8de425d2 100644
--- a/hooks/app-run-v4-build-app.js
+++ b/hooks/app-run-v4-build-app.js
@@ -17,9 +17,42 @@ module.exports = async app => {
     .filter(service => service?.info?.state?.APP !== 'BUILT')
     .value();
 
-  app.log.debug('going to build v4 apps', services.map(service => service.id));
+  // start by getting existing storage
+  const estorage = _(await Promise.all(services.map(async service => await service.getStorageVolumes())))
+    .flatten()
+    .filter(volume => volume !== 'service')
+    .uniqBy('id')
+    .map(volume => volume.id)
+    .value();
+  app.log.debug('found existing non-service scoped storage volumes %o', estorage);
+
+  // and then new storage that needs to be created
+  const cstorage = _(services)
+    .map(service => service.storage)
+    .flatten()
+    .filter(volume => volume.type === 'volume')
+    .filter(volume => !estorage.includes(volume.id))
+    .filter(volume => volume.scope !== 'service')
+    .filter(volume => volume?.labels?.['dev.lando.storage-volume'] === 'TRUE')
+    .groupBy('target')
+    .map(group => group[0])
+    .value();
+  app.log.debug('missing storage volumes %o', cstorage.map(volume => volume.source));
+
+  // create any missing volumes
+  await Promise.all(cstorage.map(async volume => {
+    // if this iterates is it gauranteed that the below will always work?
+    const bengine = services[0].getBengine();
+    try {
+      await bengine.createVolume({Name: volume.source, Labels: volume.labels});
+      app.log.debug('created %o storage volume %o with metadata %o', volume.scope, volume.source, volume.labels);
+    } catch (error) {
+      throw error;
+    }
+  }));
 
-  // and then run them in parallel
+  // run all build services methods
+  app.log.debug('going to build v4 services', services.map(service => service.id));
   await Promise.all(services.map(async service => {
     try {
       await service.buildApp();