CF adoption by large projects? #322
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Dear Karl @taylor I asked ChatGPT, "Do you know of any large projects (excluding CMIP) that have adopted the CF metadata convention for their netCDF files?" and it replied (rather slowly and hesitantly, compared with its usual speed): Yes, several large projects and data repositories have adopted the CF (Climate and Forecast) metadata conventions for their netCDF (Network Common Data Form) files. Some notable examples include:
These projects and repositories use CF conventions to enhance the interoperability, accessibility, and usability of their climate and environmental data. In the small print at the bottom of the page, it notes "ChatGPT can make mistakes. Check important info." Best wishes Jonathan |
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thanks, @JonathanGregory, to you and your assistant. This is very helpful. Can anyone vouch for what these two have uncovered, and perhaps expand on the extent to which the data holdings of these projects conform with CF? |
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Hi folks, I can corroborate a bit, and also add all of EUMETSAT's next-gen satellites. EUMETSAT provides 45% of the climate data records used in the IPCC reports, see e.g. I believe that's pretty significant use of the CF Conventions!! We've got Meteosat Third Generation launched and almost ready to go (geostationary), EPS Second Generation around the corner (big flagship polar orbiters), plus numerous missions for the European Union and partners that we're contributing to and all of which will be using CF. We might also add the modelling outputs of the European Centre for mid-range weather forecasting - as I understand it they have expanded their use of CF significantly over the past few years. Group for High REsolution Sea Surface Temperature (GHRSST) also comes to mind, as does the WMO, who have published WMO CF Extensions to encourage the use of CF by the national weather centres around the world. In terms of corroborating point by point, without consulting ChatGPT:
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We should definetely include CORDEX (www.cordex.org), which probably goes under the umbrella of "MIPs" (even though that is not in the acronym as such.) But it draws heavily on CMIP for general organisation of data request, variable naming, attribute conventions, and more. And all of it should (must! :-) be CF compliant. |
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as for :
I would say that's more aspirational than enforced. I don't know what NCEI's policies are, but at least the NOAA Ocean Service oceanographic models do not put out CF compliant results :-( -- I am working on that, so hopefully one day, but not today. |
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Great idea, Karl. It would be great to advertise the wide and international adoption of CF. Don't forget The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (obviously a particularly well-known organisation to even those outside the field), at least assuming the notes I see on the web are correct to some extent and that we can include in the cases where sub-projects have adopted, with that noted clearly. For example one project (ESDIS) states from the 'Standards and Practices' page here that:
though I don't know the full extent of NASA's adoption or otherwise of CF for their earth (or otherwise) data. Can anyone provide further context on the topic, and/or confirm or otherwise if we can include NASA and/or a sub-project/domain of it, since I think it would be an impressive addition to the list if we can justify adding it? |
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Some time ago there was a similar issue. I think that it would be very useful to have such a list in place on the website before the CF2024 workshop in September. I will try to put up an initial PR linked to cf-convention/cf-convention.github.io#256. Of course the list will grow with time. |
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There is now a draft pull request for adding such a table to the website. Please help to improve this draft by commenting in the associated issue cf-convention/cf-convention.github.io#256, or in the PR if it is of technical nature. |
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Question
Does anyone know the extent to which CF has been adopted by large projects? I am well aware of its use in most "model intercomparison projects" like CMIP and in surrounding projects like obs4MIPs and input4MIPs. What I'm wondering is outside the MIPs, has CF been adopted? For example, any of the reanalyses (ERA, for example) or Copernicus. I know ECMWF only really supports grib, but they offer some datasets as netCDF files, and it's not clear to me whether they are CF compliant.
If you know of any large-scale adoption of CF outside the MIPs, it would be nice to perhaps list these somewhere on our website.
thanks,
Karl
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